{"id":853,"date":"2018-07-12T15:57:14","date_gmt":"2018-07-12T13:57:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/qys.sk\/?p=853"},"modified":"2021-03-18T09:19:42","modified_gmt":"2021-03-18T08:19:42","slug":"majo-a-lubo-sme-obycajni-ludia-ktori-mali-to-stastie-ze-sa-stretli","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/duhovyrok.sk\/qys\/majo-a-lubo-sme-obycajni-ludia-ktori-mali-to-stastie-ze-sa-stretli\/","title":{"rendered":"Majo a \u013dubo: Sme oby\u010dajn\u00ed \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed mali to \u0161\u0165astie, \u017ee sa stretli"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Majo a \u013dubo s\u00fa p\u00e1r u\u017e viac ako 14 rokov. Prezradili n\u00e1m ako sa spoznali, ako na ich vz\u0165ah reagovali bl\u00edzki, ako maj\u00fa vyrie\u0161en\u00e9 svoje pr\u00e1vne vz\u0165ahy ako p\u00e1r dvoch mu\u017eov, ke\u010f\u017ee man\u017eelstv\u00e1 a \u017eivotn\u00e9 partnerstv\u00e1 na Slovensku pre tak\u00e9to p\u00e1ry st\u00e1le nie s\u00fa mo\u017en\u00e9. Porozpr\u00e1vali tie\u017e ak\u00e9 je to vychov\u00e1va\u0165 spolu dve deti.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ako ste sa spoznali?<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Majo:<\/strong> Spoznali sme sa cez internetov\u00fa zoznamku na Pokeci. Ja som \u017eil v cudzom meste, nemal som \u017eiadnych zn\u00e1mych a chcel som iba niekoho pozva\u0165 na pivo. Tak som ho na\u0161iel a i\u0161li sme si sadn\u00fa\u0165 na pivo.<br \/>\n<strong>\u013dubo:<\/strong> A pil si \u010derven\u00e9 v\u00edno cel\u00fd ve\u010der a ja som bol v pr\u00e1ci.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ak\u00e9 boli za\u010diatky, kedy presko\u010dila iskra?<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>\u013dubo:<\/strong> U m\u0148a to bola l\u00e1ska na prv\u00fd rozhovor, bolo n\u00e1m dobre, ja som potom za\u010dal chodi\u0165 do \u017diaru nad Hronom za Majom a popritom som ob\u010das chodil do \u0161koly. A po roku sme sa za\u010dali s\u0165ahova\u0165 do Bratislavy. <strong>Majo:<\/strong> Ja si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee to bolo postupn\u00e9 pribli\u017eovanie, prirodzen\u00e9, \u017eiadna defin\u00edcia ni\u010doho.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ako dlho ste spolu?<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Majo:<\/strong> Necel\u00fdch 15 rokov. Prirodzene sme za\u010dali b\u00fdva\u0165, za\u010dali rie\u0161i\u0165 financie.<br \/>\n<strong>\u013dubo:<\/strong> B\u00fdvame spolu okolo 14 rokov. Do Bratislavy sme odch\u00e1dzali spolu, ja som odi\u0161iel z rodi\u010dovsk\u00e9ho hniezda, ty si odch\u00e1dzal kv\u00f4li pr\u00e1ci a odvtedy b\u00fdvame spolu.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rodi\u010dovsk\u00e9 hniezda ako prijali v\u00e1\u0161 vz\u0165ah?<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Majo:<\/strong> Najd\u00f4le\u017eitej\u0161ie bolo, \u017ee sme i\u0161li spolu s mojimi s\u00farodencami a ich partnermi na chalupu, tam sme sa v\u0161etci\u00a0stretli a takto sa to donieslo mojim rodi\u010dom.<br \/>\n<strong>\u013dubo:<\/strong> Moja mama sa s Majom stretla v \u0160tiavnici, poznali sme sa pol roka.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Podporuj\u00fa v\u00e1s?<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>\u013dubo:<\/strong> U m\u0148a nedostali \u0161ancu, \u017ee prija\u0165 alebo neprija\u0165, u n\u00e1s sa nerie\u0161ia veci, je to tak ako to je. Na za\u010diatku boli v\u00fdhrady, ne\u017eelali si aby Majo chodil na Vianoce, ja som si postavil hlavu, \u017ee bu\u010f to prijm\u00fa a Majo bude m\u00f4c\u0165 chodi\u0165 ako plnohodnotn\u00fd \u010dlen rodiny na sviatky. Tri roky som nebol doma na Vianoce, potom to pochopili.<br \/>\n<strong>Majo:<\/strong> U n\u00e1s sme to nikdy rie\u0161ili, nikdy sme sa o tom nerozpr\u00e1vali, nerozoberali sme to. Pri\u0161li sme a boli sme.<br \/>\n<strong>\u013dubo:<\/strong> Va\u0161i pri\u0161li najsk\u00f4r do Bratislavy k n\u00e1m, prespali u n\u00e1s.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ste rodi\u010dmi dvoch det\u00ed. Ako ste sa nimi stali?<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>\u013dubo:<\/strong> My sme sa s Majom o rodi\u010dovstve bavili na za\u010diatku, bola to jedna z t\u00e9m o ktor\u00fdch sme sa rozpr\u00e1vali. Ja som v ur\u010ditom obdob\u00ed n\u00e1\u0161ho vz\u0165ahu mal t\u00fa\u017ebu po otcovstve, rodi\u010dovstve, ale nebola leg\u00e1lna mo\u017enos\u0165 roz\u0161\u00edri\u0165 rodinu o die\u0165a.<br \/>\n<strong>Majo:<\/strong> Chceli sme rie\u0161i\u0165 adopciu.<br \/>\n<strong>\u013dubo:<\/strong> Alebo aspo\u0148 pest\u00fansku starostlivos\u0165, prija\u0165 die\u0165a do funguj\u00facej rodiny, ale potom to ostalo vo vzduchopr\u00e1zdne, pri\u0161li psy, ktor\u00e9 to trochu dok\u00e1zali vynahradi\u0165.<br \/>\n<strong>Majo:<\/strong> My sme sa nerozhodli by\u0165 rodi\u010dmi, boli sme osloven\u00ed lesbick\u00fdm p\u00e1rom, s ktor\u00fdm sme dobre vych\u00e1dzali, roky sme sa poznali. Bolo to tak\u00e9, \u017ee pre\u010do nie, nepotrebovali sme sa rozhodova\u0165. Neboli sme prv\u00e1 vo\u013eba.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mysl\u00edte si, \u017ee je v\u00fdchova det\u00ed lesbick\u00fdm, alebo gejsk\u00fd p\u00e1rom v nie\u010dom in\u00e1?<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>\u013dubo:<\/strong> Prihliada\u0161 na okolnosti, ktor\u00e9 hetero p\u00e1ry nemaj\u00fa. Ako to prijme okolie, tvoja vlastn\u00e1 rodina, \u0161kola, ako to odprezentuje\u0161 de\u0165om, ale \u010do sa t\u00fdka be\u017en\u00e9ho d\u0148a, ja osobne v tom rozdiel nevid\u00edm.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong> Ako to prijalo okolie, rodina?<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Majo:<\/strong> Boli prekvapen\u00ed, chlapi maj\u00fa die\u0165a, ako je to mo\u017en\u00e9. Ale ke\u010f ust\u00fapilo to prekvapenie a \u017eivot be\u017eal \u010falej, tak sa tomu prisp\u00f4sobili, zvykli si. Zo za\u010diatku boli koment\u00e1re o tom, \u017ee \u013eudia spochyb\u0148uj\u00fa tvoje pr\u00e1va by\u0165 rodi\u010dmi, z nejak\u00e9ho zvl\u00e1\u0161tneho d\u00f4vodu, ale ke\u010f s\u00e1m v sebe si ten \u010dlovek usporiada my\u0161lienky tak zist\u00ed, \u017ee nem\u00e1 pre\u010do spochyb\u0148ova\u0165 to pr\u00e1vo. Prv\u00e9 bolo, \u017ee deti bud\u00fa trpie\u0165, a druh\u00e9, tento model, nikdy sa s t\u00fdm nestretli, ste dvaja chlapi nem\u00f4\u017ete ma\u0165 deti, nem\u00f4\u017ete by\u0165 rodi\u010dmi. U v\u00e4\u010d\u0161iny \u013eud\u00ed to bol biologick\u00fd podtext.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ak\u00fd ste model rodiny?<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Majo:<\/strong> Sme dve rodiny, staraj\u00face sa o spolo\u010dn\u00e9 deti.<br \/>\n<strong>\u013dubo:<\/strong> Dva p\u00e1ry funguj\u00fa vo svojich domovoch, a deti funguj\u00fa paralelne v dvoch dom\u00e1cnostiach. Ka\u017ed\u00e1 dom\u00e1cnos\u0165 m\u00e1 in\u00fd rytmus, in\u00e9 pravidl\u00e1, sna\u017e\u00edme sa diskutova\u0165 o ur\u010dit\u00fdch veciach, aby sme v de\u0165och nevyvolali pochybnosti.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>M\u00e1te obavy, \u017ee ke\u010f deti podrast\u00fa, bud\u00fa ma\u0165 probl\u00e9my?<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>\u013dubo:<\/strong> Za m\u0148a nem\u00e1m z toho obavu. Tak\u00e1 drobn\u00e1 pochybnos\u0165, \u010di ako rodi\u010d rob\u00ed\u0161 v\u0161etky dobr\u00e9 kroky. <strong>Majo:<\/strong> Ja nem\u00e1m pochybnosti. Ka\u017ed\u00fd si nesieme svoje traumy. Ka\u017ed\u00fd rodi\u010d rob\u00ed to \u010do dok\u00e1\u017ee.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rie\u0161ia to u\u010dite\u013eky v \u0161k\u00f4lke?<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Majo:<\/strong> Deti v \u0161k\u00f4lke poch\u00e1dzaj\u00fa z tak rozli\u010dn\u00fdch \u0161trukt\u00far rod\u00edn, \u017ee si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee v Bratislave to u\u010dite\u013eky ani nerie\u0161ia. M\u0148a sa nikdy nep\u00fdtaj\u00fa, pre\u010do chod\u00edme to\u013ek\u00ed po deti, ani \u017ee kto je kto. M\u00e1me zoznam, kto m\u00f4\u017ee pr\u00eds\u0165 po deti a z toho zoznamu m\u00f4\u017ee pr\u00eds\u0165 hocikto. Z\u00e1konn\u00fd z\u00e1stupca die\u0165a\u0165a d\u00e1 zoznam pre \u0161k\u00f4lku.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>M\u00e1te medzi vami upraven\u00e9 pr\u00e1vne vz\u0165ahy aj vo vz\u0165ahu k de\u0165om, ke\u010f\u017ee u n\u00e1s neexistuje mo\u017enos\u0165 \u017eivotn\u00e9ho (registrovan\u00e9ho) partnerstva ani adopcie det\u00ed?<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Majo:<\/strong> My m\u00e1me jedin\u00fd pr\u00e1vny vz\u0165ah cez deti, t\u00fdm \u017ee obaja sme biologick\u00ed rodi\u010dia a na\u0161e deti s\u00fa s\u00farodenci, tak u n\u00e1s odpadaj\u00fa nepr\u00edjemnosti ako dedi\u010dstvo. \u010ci\u017ee nie je to o tom, \u017ee by ma\u00a0rodina mohla vydedi\u0165 ako \u013dubovho partnera. My dvaja nem\u00e1me \u017eiadny pr\u00e1vny vz\u0165ah, teda nem\u00e1me pr\u00e1vo po sebe dedi\u0165.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ako je to s inform\u00e1ciami v nemocnici?<br \/>\n<\/strong> <strong>\u013dubo:<\/strong> Nedostali sme sa e\u0161te do tejto situ\u00e1cie. Bav\u00edme sa o tom a u\u017e je to v rie\u0161en\u00ed &#8230; 10 rokov. V\u017edy sa n\u00e1jde nie\u010do kraj\u0161ie, lep\u0161ie, d\u00f4le\u017eitej\u0161ie&#8230;<br \/>\n<strong>Majo:<\/strong> Pln\u00e9 moci nem\u00e1me to je pravda, ostatn\u00e9 veci, \u010do sa t\u00fdka majetku m\u00e1me v\u0161etko na polovicu zmluvne vyrie\u0161en\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>V z\u00e1konnej oblasti by v\u00e1m nie\u010do u\u013eah\u010dilo \u017eivot?<br \/>\n<\/strong> <strong>Majo:<\/strong> Tie praktick\u00e9 veci sa ako tak daj\u00fa rie\u0161i\u0165 okrem bezpodielov\u00e9ho vlastn\u00edctva. Ja osobne by som to ve\u013emi chcel. Probl\u00e9m je so statusom ako tak\u00fdm. To \u017eivotn\u00e9 partnerstvo tie\u017e nie je ide\u00e1lne rie\u0161enie, asi \u0165a\u017eko budem predstavova\u0165 \u013duba, toto je m\u00f4j partner. Man\u017eelstvo predsa len d\u00e1va status plnohodnotnej- \u0161ie, ten status je to najd\u00f4le\u017eitej\u0161ie.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Posolstvo, n\u00e1dej pre druh\u00e9 p\u00e1ry, keby chceli deti?<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>\u013dubo:<\/strong> My v podstate nie sme ni\u010d\u00edm vnimo\u010dn\u00ed, sme oby\u010dajn\u00ed \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed mali to \u0161\u0165astie, \u017ee sa stretli. Tvori\u0165 vz\u0165ah, tvori\u0165 rodinu, vychov\u00e1va\u0165 deti, nikdy nie je jednoduch\u00e9, ale \u017eivot je ot\u00e1zka prior\u00edt, \u010di\u017ee pokia\u013e t\u00ed \u013eudia naozaj chc\u00fa, je to ot\u00e1zka chcenia a prekon\u00e1vania prek\u00e1\u017eok. Ja v podstate nepozn\u00e1m p\u00e1r, ktor\u00fd by bol ide\u00e1lny, aj my sme si pre\u0161li r\u00f4znymi vecami, ale stoj\u00ed to zato.<br \/>\n<strong>Majo:<\/strong> Vz\u0165ah je vo svojej podstate nuda, nem\u00f4\u017ee\u0161 \u010daka\u0165 \u017ee ka\u017ed\u00fd de\u0148 za\u017eije\u0161 oh\u0148ostroj, niekedy oh\u0148ostroj nie je a mus\u00ed\u0161 na\u0148 \u010daka\u0165 aj pol roka a t\u00e1 trpezlivos\u0165 niekedy \u013eu\u010fom ch\u00fdba. M\u00e1 sa spolo\u010dnos\u0165 b\u00e1\u0165 tak\u00fdchto partnerstiev?<br \/>\n<strong>\u013dubo:<\/strong> B\u00e1\u0165 sa m\u00e1 \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed s\u00fa netolerantn\u00ed a maj\u00fa predsudky, s\u00fa akoko\u013evek f\u00f3bni, ale ja som sa osobne v \u017eivote nestretol s negat\u00edvnou reakciou na svoju osobu. Boli tam ot\u00e1zky, chv\u00ed\u013eku to bolo za piko\u0161ku. Sna\u017e\u00edme sa \u017ei\u0165 slu\u0161ne, chodi\u0165 do pr\u00e1ce, plati\u0165 dane, ale \u017ei a nechaj \u017ei\u0165. U susedov sme najob\u013e\u00fabenej\u0161\u00ed. <strong>Majo:<\/strong> St\u00e1le nerozumiem, ke\u010f m\u00e1 niekto v\u00fdhrady, \u010do by malo by\u0165 tou obavou, \u010do by sa malo sta\u0165, ako m\u00f4\u017ee\u0161 niekoho ohrozi\u0165 (ukradne\u0161 jej man\u017eela)&#8230;. nem\u00e1 sa \u010doho b\u00e1\u0165. Ma\u0165 deti alebo nema\u0165 deti? Mnoh\u00e9 p\u00e1ry sa boja ma\u0165 deti, pr\u00e1ve kv\u00f4li tomu, \u017ee maj\u00fa pocit, \u017ee ide o nejak\u00fd experiment, \u017ee na Slovensku to je neodsk\u00fa\u0161an\u00e9. Na Slovensku \u017eije kopec det\u00ed vyrastaj\u00facich v tak\u00fdchto p\u00e1roch a v podstate teraz v r\u00e1mci n\u00e1\u0161ho okolia sa rod\u00ed pomerne ve\u013ea det\u00ed do tak\u00fdchto rod\u00edn. Ak sa boja, \u017eeby ostali sami, nemusia sa ob\u00e1va\u0165. S\u00fa tu \u013eudia a funguje to, s\u00edce sa nestret\u00e1vame, ale vieme o sebe navz\u00e1jom.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Nechcete sa symbolicky zobra\u0165?<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Majo:<\/strong> Asi je pre m\u0148a d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00fd status.<br \/>\n<strong>\u013dubo:<\/strong> My sme sa u\u017e symbolicky zobrali pred 14 rokmi.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Majo a \u013dubo s\u00fa p\u00e1r u\u017e viac ako 14 rokov.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":855,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,6,259,13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-853","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-partnerstva","category-pribehy-lgbti-ludi","category-rozhovory","category-viditelnost"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/duhovyrok.sk\/qys\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/853","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/duhovyrok.sk\/qys\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/duhovyrok.sk\/qys\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/duhovyrok.sk\/qys\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/duhovyrok.sk\/qys\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=853"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/duhovyrok.sk\/qys\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/853\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2623,"href":"https:\/\/duhovyrok.sk\/qys\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/853\/revisions\/2623"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/duhovyrok.sk\/qys\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/855"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/duhovyrok.sk\/qys\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=853"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/duhovyrok.sk\/qys\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=853"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/duhovyrok.sk\/qys\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=853"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}